I became horribly ill and nobody could figure
out why my wife had been on my case about going in and seeing the doctor and I developed
a really bad thresh infection in the back of my throat she just put her foot down and
let me know that I was going to the doctor made the appointment and took me in lab
capability there it was a small clinic in a rural agricultural area gave me some metformin
and sent me home I called back the next day and I said I wouldn't got my blood glucose meter
and it's broken because all it says is high and I didn't realize that like glucose meters
won't read anything over 600 she screamed for me to come right in put me on insulin and
I was the beginning of my journey foreign everybody hopefully everyone's gonna have a nice
day happy Tuesday Morning we've got a guest today Hall who I just see has just popped in here good
morning how are you I'm doing well how are you this is so strange it's like I knew you I see you
every day and and it just kind of struck me as a little bit odd there for a second yeah it is kind
of yeah I was it's kind of funny because in Costco yesterday and ran into two people that recognized
me it's just you know same old thing and it's just I'm pretty much the same in person as I am here
on on this type of thing but anyway where are you located Paul uh we just moved a couple years
ago to Oklahoma lived just outside in the country outside of Shawnee very nice okay where did you
move where did you move from ah California the greatest place to move a lot of people are having
an exodus from there it seems like for for various reasons in fact we left we left there he gets
locked up yeah if you don't mind just kind of sharing your background with us a little bit at
age 62 I'm I'm now 66 but at age 62.
I became horribly ill and nobody could figure out why
my background is is a pretty sedentary computer oriented work I do uh parametrics 3D modeling I
design equipment but basically do it on a computer so that computers can cut the parts out and put
them together I love the work not really strenuous and I just started developing really really
strange problem what I call the insatiable thirst urinating constantly getting up seven
eight nine times a night craving sweets so and losing weight sounds
like sounds like diabetes one yeah yeah diabetes is kind of a horrible term
because it it has two different diseases within it I mean diabetes is the name of a symptom it's
not the name of a disease or that's my opinion well there's definitely yeah there's definitely
a a pretty significant difference between type one which used to be called juvenile onset and
type 2 adult onset and there's actually even some subcategories of that now that there's so
there's actually some people claim there's even four or five types of different diabetes out
there out there but anyway so you you 62 you you discover your type 1 diabetic how did how did
how did you know you made you talk about some of the symptoms you have but when do they say Hey or
how do they discover you roll into the emergency room with a blood glucose of 500 or something or
what what happened oh no I'm I'm way too stubborn for that my wife had been on my case about going
in and seeing the doctor and I developed a really bad uh thrush infection in the back of my throat
and when it just about closed off my Airway she just put her foot down and let me know that I was
going to the doctor made the appointment and took me in luckily the nurse practitioner that I saw
is familiar with diabetes and the symptoms of high blood glucose and she knows that fungal infections
are very very common it's just glucose is fuel for them and first thing she did was finger stick me
it was like uh five something uh and this was in the morning before I'd eaten so that's pretty hard
so not having any lab capability there was a small clinic in a rural agricultural area gave me some
metformin and sent me home I called back the next day and I said I went and got my blood glucose
meter and it's broken because all it says is high and I didn't realize that uh blood glucose
meters won't read anything over 600 so she screamed for me to come right in put
me on insulin and that was the beginning of my journey yeah that's got to be a shock but you
know like I said this is how you know and it's interesting because in their 60s presenting with
type 1 diabetes this is this is for some reason this is becoming more and more common uh than it
used to be that you know type 2 is very common but even type ones are happening later and later
in life and at different stages so it's kind of a unique thing I would question that conclusion I
I work in a couple of groups that support type 1 diabetics and help them and Coach them and we
just recently did a survey in our adult Lada group and over 60 for 60 percent of the people in
that group were originally misdiagnosed as type twos yeah some of them for many years so when you
look at you say wow it's happening in adults more no they're finding out that it's happening in
adults more or what you really need to ask is what happened to those poor type ones diagnosed as
type 2 10 15 years ago yeah I'm sure there's there is a percentage of mischaracterized diabetics
and discovering you know you mentioned a lot of the you know the late late on set you know
autoimmune diabetes adulthood but there is uh um you know and there's there's a certain
percentage of type 2 but diabetics that burn out their pancreas to the degree where they they
stop making insulin and they effectively also become type type 1 so it's kind of an interesting
thing so you get this diagnosis they put you on insulin they send you to a diabetes educator
or something like that and tell you to eat 50 grams of carbon meal or how did that
work how did that how did that no I was I was sent to the Ada's website to download
their diabetic self-care handbook for type ones okay real personalized care and
did you did you pursue that for a while yeah failed miserably well incredibly horrible
what was he what was the advice they gave you and what do you mean by you failed oh 50 grams
of carbs per day make sure you get so many uh uh healthy whole grain servings per day uh
what's a good food what's a bad food you know um obviously they don't want you drinking soda
pop if they don't have a problem at all with you drinking orange juice so you said 50 grams per
meal or per day I think it was per meter per meal uh minimum yeah minimum uh many want you to eat
more than that and uh it posts this particular you've you've got this website this wonderful
uh intervention for people called carnivore type one's kit to what you say our dosage is
based upon the amount of carbohydrates they make us eat if we tried to go carb carnivore without
being crazy like me or crazy like Ryan art that are and figuring out our own dosage we couldn't
possibly do it because we won't be instructed in how to tighter our doses for the difference in
carbohydrate and protein yeah I mean maybe perhaps not through the Ada I mean there's other there are
other sites that there are other ways to figure out protein dosing and fat dosing and things like
that which is interesting but let me ask you you know so you're Dr Bernstein's a good one right
right Dr Bernstein's Diabetes Solution is an excellent resource for people that are suffering
from either type one or type 2 quite honestly um so I mean they put you on insulin was it what
was the original was it basal bolus I mean how did they how do they you know uh no it was uh
basically I can't remember what they call it but you you check your blood sugar and if your blood
sugar is at this level you use as much insulin before a meal and if it's this level you use as
much insul on a meal and then you start out as so much basal insulin and increase or decrease it
according whatever your fasting insulin is not a very good way of of managing it even if you were
on a high carb diet you really need to tailor the insulin that you eat uh take to the uh the food
that you ate yeah I mean it's there's a lot of nuance to that and it's you know without going
into the details and like there's there's a lot more to it than just you know titrate this based
on your fasting insulin and I think there's a lot a lot more a lot more things going on there but
you know with the high carb diet you know eating at least 50 grams per meal and potentially much
more than that is what you know often the Ada is recommending what kind of control did you have
did you see your numbers going up and down pretty high and what kind of a1cs were you were you were
you ending up with we call that the roller coaster where you have very high glucose so you take a
correction dose of insulin and you go down too low and then you take a correction of the 15 grams of
carb that they suggest which is ridiculous by the way I don't take any more than two to four grams
of carbs now to modify my blood sugar so you're constantly screaming down hypoglycemic screaming
up hyperglycemic uh many times during the day and how does it feel just for those horrible what do
you mean by horror what are you feeling when it's happening I couldn't work well I'm now I call it
retired I'm actually disabled what I do is it's intellectually challenging and highly Technical
and the brain fog inability to think straight uh short-term memory loss uh emotional outbursts
they don't they don't and underlying it all was a very fatalistic attitude that I had not
realizing that it was the food I was eating that was causing I wasn't suicidal but I didn't care I
literally didn't care it just surprised me so much when I did get straightened out and then lifted I
had no idea how badly I was being affected until it was gone yeah I mean it's that's something I'm
glad you mentioned that because a lot of people don't realize that you know diabetes has a lot of
effects on people and there is a huge significant mental issue and you know the fact that you're
you know you're you're you're you're your blood glucose is going up and down so dramatically
and you're hypoglycemic and you're sweating and you're starving and you're you can't think
straight you feel like you're drunk and then then it goes up and then you start falling
asleep and it's just this constant sort of Battle of of just never feeling kind of normal
there's a brief period where you might feel normal your blood glucose is in a relatively
normal range how did you get out of this where did you decide to do this low carb carnivore
where did that come in how did you discover that I was irritated with my wife when she made
me go to the doctor so when they came in to check my blood sugar I told them they couldn't check
mine until they checked hers and hers was 325. she was a serious type 2 diabetic wow I started
studying but basically I thought I had my side all figured out you know I started trying to
figure out how can we get her better because everything I heard about through the official
channels was type 2 diabetes it's Progressive and chronic all they can do is slow at death I
can't stop it and that just wasn't good enough for me it's never a good enough for a loved one you
don't listen to anybody who says stuff like that and then I started getting into Ben bickman you
all Mason David Diamond and boy just you talk about an eye-opener this different Viewpoint
this different take on nutrition and health that nobody even knows it's out there it's
it's uh the best kept secret on Earth isn't it well we're trying believe me no I know you
are I'm trying to get it out there but there's a lot of censorship and a lot of people that
don't want that information out there it seems like so you started reading researching because
you your wife has now discovered to be type 2 diabetic now I mean one might say well maybe it's
contagious you know it's a virus maybe you both had the same food environment what was your diet
like this is backup what was your dialogue prior to all this discovery were you just eating the
standard American garbage or what were you doing oh yeah I was standard American diet I I believe
that everything in Balance which means whatever crap I wanted to eat during the day that was my
excuse right I've been involved in statistics enough to know that coincidences do happen you get
so many incidents uh instances of different things happening and two of them are going to happen at
the same time it's called the birthday Paradox and it it's not as rare as you would think it
is we're type ones are 1 and 300 type twos or gosh probably the majority in the country right
now and the chances of having two in a household are are pretty darn good so so you start reading
about and learning about you know big men some of my stuff Paul Mason you know David Diamond and
some of these other folks that are out there for professing age maybe a different nutritional
strategy away from maybe the high carb kids and consistent carbohydrate diet that the diabetic
Ada often recommends so when did you decide to I'm gonna I'm gonna try this stuff and then how
did it go oh what got me was I found Rd Dyckman the sun is a type 1 diabetic diagnosed at age
nine and he talked about what he went through and having a similar technical background uh
what he said just made sense it doesn't matter how smart you are it doesn't matter how what
kind of grip you have on mathematics this is chaotic behavior and if you can't treat the root
cause of the chaos you're never going to fix this and then he followed him to Dr Bernstein
a lot of small numbers uh the idea that you need to get your body into a much calmer
much more predictable much more reliable state to be able to use the tools that we have the the
insulin and the blood glucose monitors yeah so that's all the difference so the small numbers you
know the the I guess the idea is you know if you keep your insulin fairly stable rather than these
huge you know perturbations where you're having to chase it with very large doses of of insulin which
physiologically don't necessarily match with it with it with the absorption characteristic as an
insulin particularly the rapid acts say acting and and you end up with these over Corrections and
under Corrections and constant battling and so when you're just making a small nudge uh there's
a guy uh I think Steve Posner he talks about sugar surfing and he's written a book on yeah something
similar where he just got a real fond of that he has you know he's still more of the uh Ada you
know type of diet but at the same time it's it's making these General corrections but you know
Bernstein has helped and a huge number of type ones and for you guys don't know Richard Burns
he's I think he's 86 or something like that maybe 87 years old he's been living with type 1 diabetes
since he was a kid and so yeah still doing well so okay so you you get into this start reading
Dykeman stuff and Bernstein stuff How does it go once you start implementing and when and I guess
Card War comes in here at some point I guess well it convinced me intellectually so at that point
I said okay I'm going to do an experiment I'm going to do a test and if it's going to be a good
experiment I'm going to follow it precisely and I did that and I was probably at A1C up around 14
15 diagnosis my first post-diagnosis A1C was 4.9 see that's the thing that people don't understand
about type 1 right away is it isn't just being able to cover the food anybody can cover the
food on any given day it's going to be the same tomorrow no it's going to be the same an
hour from now no because what we're doing is we're predicting the future we're trying to dose
for what our body will be an hour and a half for now and the insulin kicks in what this does is
this you get down past down below this threshold where I think it has a lot to do with uh being
metabolically uh flexible it has a lot to do with being in ketosis or or in a stable metabolic state
where your body is not switching back and forth from burning Rocket Fuel to burning crude oil
constantly back and forth back and forth back and forth you get out of that routine and everything
settles down to where the tools work very well you said your first post-diagnosis A1C was 4.9
so it was was that was that on carbohydrates or was that on already on a low carb diet no I only
tried the carbohydrates for about three weeks okay okay so you quickly decided that wasn't for
that wasn't going to work for you yeah so I searched for another two or three weeks okay so
I actually got on the proper train very fairly quickly okay good for you and so so what how does
that look like for you now now I mean as far as uh how much are you dosing how what does your day
look like typically for for your diabetic routine that's pretty easy actually I get up and I take
my long-acting insulin it's split two times a day pick in the morning and in the evening it's not
equal because your needs for insulin aren't the same when you're sleepiness when you're awake and
uh about oh can 11.
Uh I I have my morning meal I ate twice the day um and that's more because
of another comorbidity that I have or no other disease that I have that's probably related which
is Epi hex again exocrine pancreatic insufficiency I I don't make digestive enzymes anymore uh so I
have to take a whole handful of uh basically it's not a supplement it's something lipase is amylases
and whatnot yeah yeah but it's industrial dose where what you would find is a supplement would be
about fifteen hundred to four thousand units and what I'm taking is 125 000 units per male so it's
a handful of bills yeah so you've got a pancreas it doesn't do much I mean maybe it puts out some
glucagon perhaps I don't know but so you know your basil how we just had it for number wise how
much basil are you utilizing just out of curiosity morning it's only five and a half units uh my
meal coverage in the morning you're normally more carbohydrate sensitive in the watering or more
insulin um excuse me you're usually you usually need more insulin in the morning I don't know
whether it's because you're waking up the cortisol response or whatever but I take about four and
a half units of Basil insulin excuse me boneless insulin for the meals that I have I make sure the
meals are the same amount the same size I don't really vary the dose and um and is that a regular
insulin or is that a Humalog or what do you I know Bernstein's a fan of a regular oh I'm uh major fan
of regular I don't I don't think you could follow a meat-only diet or a substantially meat only diet
without having regular because Humalog and no Vlog have both been modified to act on the same time
frame as carbohydrate digestion right right which is much much faster than protein um not only that
when you're dosing for protein you're not really covering any carbohydrate any glucose rise from
the food you're eating you're seeing what's called the uh glycogen release uh glycogenolysis because
your body knows that it's going to need insulin to mobilize protein into your cells so your body
releases glucagon which makes your body release blood sugar I'm getting too complicated but
basically it's not because your steaks turn into cake okay that doesn't have no it's you you need
protein you need insulin for protein simple answer yeah that's you know I mean exactly what you see
is you know the the protein you're absorbing has an impact on glucagon secretion which is causing
glycogenolysis exactly which then causes Horizon low glucose and has to be countered by insulin
so you're covering that right and that that's interesting and you know the interesting thing
about you know if you look at the the onset of duration and onset of action of regular insulin
you know the onset you know maybe in an hour and it lasts you know maybe Peaks at about three hours
and lasts for about six hours that pretty much covers the protein digestion absorption Spectrum
pretty nicely so so that's an interesting thing for that how much yeah I try and cover that with
Humalog you'd have to inject twice right yeah yeah because at the beginning of the meal yep yep what
um do you find Alexa how big are your meals just out of curiosity how much are you eating really
big but a lot of it has to do with poor absorption um I I don't digest food real well or excuse yeah
um uh and don't even get into the symptomology of Epi it's hideous but with the enzyme pills
I'm doing pretty good but I don't think I'm absorbing anywhere near what I should be eating I
I tracked it for a while and I was eating about 5 000 calories a day and I'm six foot two and at
diagnosis I went all the way down to 118 pounds I managed to gain back I'm back up to 160.
But still
for somebody six two that's pretty thin 118 yeah that is very thin that is that is concentration
camp right that's that's what type 2 1 diabetes did you know and it people would waste away and
because her body would just kind of Auto digest herself you know there's kind of Marty Kendall who
thinks you know there's a certain amount of Basil we have to we have to dose to keep ourselves from
turning into a pool of glucose as we break down our own proteins and so I lost a lot of skin yeah
does that recovery have you and how long have you been on so this is you said it was four years
ago that saw occurred so you've been Carnival have you been a fully carnivorous diet for that
long or mostly carnivorous no I'm an accidental carnivore okay um I I I didn't start doing
this because I saw any type of nutritional superiority but I've never believed that there
was a reason why you have to eat plants as far as I'm concerned a plant is just variety and after
a while it became such a pain in the butt I just stopped eating the darn things and how is that I
assume the the negative effects on it hasn't had any negative effects on your diabetes has it none
whatsoever uh compared to other well-controlled diabetics I'm probably right up at the top of
the list I'm I'm lucky I'm I'm very consistent and your hemoglobin a once you you mentioned the
first one was 4.9 what does it typically run over the years that you've been doing this now well
4.9 to 5.1 which is basically in the variation of the test Yeah so basically I could completely
normally one see well I can hit any number you want me to right you know I don't really see a
lot of value in hitting 4.5 but I could do that um and I could do it without risk yeah because
it isn't the low glucose that gets you it's the excursions well and that's what that's what
Bernstein talks because you know the classic endocrinologist will warn you against hypoglycemia
because there's relations to dementia down the road and Bernstein will argue it's because of the
Rapids fluctuations and most people have hypos are type ones that are over correcting for or type
ones and type 2 is over correcting for carbs and and that's that's sort of the issue there that
uh and it's a moot point because I don't have hypoglycemia at a frequency any worse than any
other type 1 diabetic it is a non-issue it's an argument that they bring up because they don't
want to change their guidance yeah I can see I mean I know there's some people say well we've
had people that have had hypoglycemia Comas and we don't want to get sued about that so I know
there's there's kind of a cya part of that but at the end at the end of the day if you're if
you look at the Ada's current guidelines you know they're they're target range is between
70 and 100 and 80 70 percent of the time so you know somebody would argue sitting around
at 180 all day long is not a good thing and that uh you know and only doing that 70
percent of time you could be even higher potentially is um 120 right probably
95 of the day right right do you um so I mean with diabetes comes the concerns
about retinopathy nephropathy cardiovascular disease is that something you're monitoring
or maintaining usually diabetics are you know checking these things you know periodically
have you noticed any change with that stuff that's an emotional issue for me because I
coach type ones who have had horrible things happen to them uh you forgot gastroparesis no I
didn't mean it but I guess reason uh talk about horrible right but I had my eyes checked and they
did check and find that there was damage I don't know the medical name for it and I do know that
I went back in one year later and I said yeah I'm interested to see if any of this is resolved and
the doctor said uh no this doesn't resolve right and then he did the the pictures and he had them
up on the screen and he's flipping back and forth between the two saying all kinds of strange noises
and then he turns and tells me oh yeah it looks fine yes um yeah it's funny you know that and that
this is I think this is a really important point I wanted I want to just talk about this because
you're not the first diabetic and certainly not the first type 1 diabetic that I've run into that
has done a low carb or even a carnivore diet and they have had their diabetic retinopathy go away
and to me or improve or go away or whatever or you know and to me that is very very powerful because
not because the people will say that well low carb diets are just masking the disease the disease
is still there you know to me then if that were the case the retinopny would not improve the you
know these things would would continue to progress it would get worse but what I'm seeing is actual
recovery of end organ damage which is the whole reason we don't want diabetes in the first place
it's not because blood sugar is high it's because our kidneys fail we're getting heart attacks
we go blind you know we cut our feet off you know so that is really what we're trying to
avoid there and well supporting your point it's not just retinopathy I I had peripheral
neuropathy it's gone yeah completely resolved yeah uh in this arm in my right arm and we'll
see uh gone and uh did you have no fun when the nerves start coming back by the way when
you when you had the retinopathy was that how long was that did you have that prior to the
diagnosis of the official diagnosis of diabetes yes it's part of what made me end up going into
the doctor's office my son I worked with my son at the time and we went outside the parking lot to
talk and I was talking this was in Central Valley of California and it's the fires are really really
bad I can barely see down to the end of the street and he just had this shocked look on his face
he says dad there's no smoke in there yeah uh you don't it's much easier to see something in
another person than to see it in yourself right because you compensate you constantly compensate
if somebody tells you look dude you need help you're in trouble please listen to them don't
argue with don't try and explain to them while they're wrong just go get it checked out yeah
I think good advice there and and you mentioned but you're talking about neuropathy like you
couldn't feel your hands how long did that precede your official diagnosis of diabetes or
do you think or did you have for a few years or was it something new yeah it creeps up on you
it started on the sides of my big toes okay um and then it started creeping up to the top of
my four feet and then both feet and then you know and then you get the tingly numbs instead of just
the lack of sensation and then when the the patch of my arm was the last one that developed uh
which was actually the I think the probably the gravest nerve damage because I completely lost all
feeling in that patch of skin between my elbow and my my hand it just sneaks up on you uh it's it's
hard to tell how long it pre-saged it but it did I was probably in trouble for a good two or
three years before diagnosis and then yeah you know like I said probably during this whole time
you're you're pancreas is slowly shutting down all this is going on um any thoughts as to why
you you know because it's interesting the type 1 diabetics there's a lot of theories as to why
that occurs some people think it's an infectious etiology some kind of environmental damage you
know some people's genetics but of course it's 60 you know you're probably seems a little
late for that do you any idea why you think you contracted type one is there any thoughts on
that where you have an infection at some point or what was a thought on that I honestly don't know
I do know that uh Teenage prior years I had uh viral hepatitis not hep C the other one I
can't remember what it is a perhaps yeah and other than that really not a lot
of prop smooth infection diseases I didn't really have the history of a lot
of immune issues uh asthma none of that I hear people online all the time and say oh yeah
kovic gave me type 1 or this gave me type one and they don't realize that whatever happened to
you happened to you years before you ever see the symptoms so that that trying to make these
cause and effect connections is really hard to do when you have a year to two years between
observable effect and onset of difficulty um so the honest answer is I I really don't know
I really don't know I was never a type 2 diabetic uh always then always yeah you know whatever
the stereotypical non-type 2 was that was me uh I could sit down and polish off an extra large
pizza and then turn around go get another one and never gain a pound for a long the longest portion
of my life well certainly um well let me ask you I mean are you still being followed by some sort
is an endocrinologist following you or there's a primary care physician or who who's sort of
managing prescribing insulin that type of stuff person who I liked retired and I just don't
feel like breaking in a new one these people know nothing about managing my disease right they
may be able to interpret blood markers or tests or these things or that things but when it comes to
what's important for a person's quality of life they know nothing regardless I mean you still
have to have a physician that prescribes you insulin I assume right I mean you I mean no no
I buy my insulin over the counter at Walmart oh okay so I mean what are you using for long acting
then in PH oh nth okay okay got it I figured out how to make it work well okay it's not as bad as
people make it sound yeah it got a really bad rap back before the old low carb days but you know if
you're eating a low carb it's not hard to manage it's not that difficult yeah uh well that's and
that's something that people don't know this that you know I maybe don't know that you can buy well
you can buy insulin over the counter at Walmart fairly inexpensively you know it's I think it's
like 25 for a vial of regular and I don't know what they charge for NPH but uh same so that's
you know as opposed to you know if you don't have insurance you may be paying 500 bucks a month for
or more for some of this other stuff and so more is more common yeah yeah yeah so it's uh it's it's
kind of an interesting situation there that you're managing up so uh I mean do you check your own do
you ever ever if you ever want a CGM or anything like that no I don't have a CGM uh I use uh just
a glucometer I do have I do spring for the best one I've got the the bear bear the Contour Next
which has got the new tech strip the test stripped technology it's got very good accuracy and then
how often are you checking those glucoses then I can usually tell uh how well I'm doing I'll
cruise through a day sometimes only testing six or eight times but if I get any questions
pop up uh I'll test 12 to 18 times a day there's a lot of finger sticks yeah that's
for sure I mean 18 times a day is a lot I mean it's for people that are having a
little bit diabetes you know that's a that's a you know it's a lot of thinking
about that all the time Diane's asking about if the syringe is over the counter yes
Walmart will sell you syringes as well so um yeah you know it's and it's really that not
that many finger sticks because you cannot manage type 1 diabetes with a CGM and I'll defend
that statement um the inherent accuracy and the repeatability yeah and the trustworthiness of
a CGM just isn't there when you're injecting uh a little too much of something that might be fatal
yeah some people will will use utilize it as a tool to to tell them when to check when to do
an actual finger stick to make a decision so they actually kind of get a sense it's useful
for the alarm see if I could if somebody gave me one free I'd use it yeah uh I don't see a
value in it um well other than training and information and spotting patterns and improving
my my coverage yeah I take it if it was free but I'm not going to spend money on one it's really
good okay here's a sexist statement you ready they're much better for women CGS guys have
got it easy cgms are better for women you say yes us guys have it easy in what regard everything
affects your blood glucose hormones emotions right uh exercise everything you can think I I
know a lady who's because she was diagnosed at three had horrible complications she's now 30 and
recovering from a lot of the complications she's really really tight with her glucose and she's got
three different visual regimes depending on what type of the month it is uh to three distinctly
different basal regimes so that's what I mean by us guys I've got it easy we're just you know
eat steak and watch TV pretty much it yeah yeah well some of us like to exercise as well
I mean it's you know it's one of those things that uh it's interesting I do too but exercise for
me is making it end to end at Walmart I've lost a lot of muscle mass I've lost a lot of stamina
I'm building back I've got my weights out in the garage but at 62 it's really hard putting back
what you lost let me back up a little bit because you mentioned your wife type 2 diabetic how she
also adopted this low-carb carnivore approach or how is she doing yes now she's um she has a lot
more it's harder for type twos than type ones type ones they put a gun to your head you know behave
or die type two they think they can put it off they think they could cheat that and they don't
recognize the the siren Call of a carb addiction they never have to challenge it directly and get
rid of it because it's gonna jump It's really harder being a type 2 than being a type one so
she had her wake-up call just recently she had to go and uh see someone like you for shoulder
reconstruction for uh rotator cuff uh on the job injury and they canceled for surgery on her
because their blood sugar was too high okay so that got her attention and she's doing
much much better now so Yeah well yeah I mean you mentioned that it's harder for type
twos but you know type twos if they if they go on a right diet they can get off they don't need
to be on medication the type one's going to be stuck taking insulin regardless for the most part
there is no remission for type one yeah you could make it very manageable and you can have a really
really good life and I wish I could tell convince all of the type ones out there that that just
think that it's such unmitigating hell that it really doesn't have to be that way but type two
yeah you can get over it yeah I don't think you could every lots of carbs get in the rest of
your life but you can get back to normal yeah and and I guess you said you're you you do some
you interact with some groups Some Type 1 groups um are you getting some people that are that are
that are adopting what you're doing I mean I know there's some I know there's tap one time oh yes
out there that are on board but you're having a lot of resistance from other ones there are
thousands of us out there doing this I mean you talk about Best Kept Secrets gosh it's like hey
guess what there's thousands of people maintaining blood glucose time what type ones maintaining
blood glucose at under 5.5 thousands of us um yes uh the the adult group The Lana group
is more difficult I work with the children group they're wonderful they're Saints they're my
heroes these these mothers and fathers are just wonderful people because a parent is always going
to take much better care of their child's health than some than an adult's going to take of their
own health the adults they're a little difficult from time to time to deal with um sometimes you
have to apply the clue stick it's it's it's hard um I haven't heard that term the clue stick what
is that you get a clue what is that yeah basically yeah you you tap them on the head
with it to try and be still a clue um so I I it's a southernism yeah do you uh
outside of you know controlling your blood glucose and having basically normal a1cs uh and
you know I guess arguably a better quality of life with that have you noticed any other benefits from
going carnivore or low carb as far as other health things oh yeah oh yeah it's astounding like like
I said I did not understand that I had emotional issues before this happened I didn't even know
I had it it's gone I'm a happy person I'm a well-adjusted person okay honestly I get really
really angry when I hear misinformation about diabetes I'm sorry personal failing I'll admit to
it I like you you really really get irritated with it but other than that uh I'm healthier than I've
been in the last 20 years so in that respect I'm not sure that if I didn't have type 1 diabetes I
think it's probably 50 50 that I'd be alive today when I look at the family history of my family
yeah um uh my my younger brother died at 49. Widowmaker uh my mom same way grandfather same way
come to find out everybody talks about cholesterol and that by far the hugest biggest risk factors
hyperglycemia and hyperinsulinity yeah why don't they tell people that some people you know there's
some you know some people are some people are telling them that but you you know you see that
and there was a you know I just pulled a paper you are there was just a paper that just came out
looking at it was this thing it was it came out on Statin usage the the outcomes for major adverse
cardiovascular and that's heart attack stroke death or revascularization and they found that if
you have a diabetic who has low tax score statins provided no benefit whatsoever if you had a normal
person with a low-cax score statins actually made the situation worse the only situation where it
was potentially beneficial was a high debt was a diabetic with high amounts of plaque already
already in there and so when you you say you get mad about misinformation misinformation
about diabetes in your interpretation what is it what is a misinformation what do you what
do you what do you think is wrong being told okay I'm a practical engineer I learned science
as it applies to being able to predict what's going to happen when you do X or when you do y
as far as I'm concerned everything else is good so when people go online and they talk about this
causes that and science cause has a very specific meaning these people are completely using these
terms wrong and they're talking to laymen about it who don't understand that they know absolutely
nothing about what's going on when they say things like X causes y okay that's what I mean about
misinformation when I hear people talk about saturated fat causes insulin resistance that's
why you have to be a vegan if you're type one I come unglowed there are some advantages
to plant-based diets for type ones who refuse to eat animal based products it's
better than the standard American diet you know the Randall cycle what you have going on
with cross-inhibition of fats and carbohydrates in nutrition if you go very low carb or very low
fat both of them are going to make managing type 1 diabetes easier once nutritionally deficient but
we won't talk about that well there's a there's a you know there's a vegan group that type 1
diabetics there's a book called mastering diabetes and the whole point is to oh yeah dramatically
lower your fat to such a low level we're even counting the amount of fats than in a banana
you know it's just like so they have this 10 grams or less a day and the thought is that they
can dose less insulin per gram of carbohydrate but I don't think it results in the level of
overall control or the lower A1C that you do with with you know a little oh and it doesn't
you talk about Cyrus and Bobby yeah yep sure I'm sorry if you looked at the uh a1cs they
have they they boasted out that's probably six six something maybe I don't know what
it is maybe 6.1 yeah yeah right yeah yeah that's an awful lot of work for a 6.1 I'm sorry
I'm unimpressed um yes if I have somebody who's committed vegan or if I have somebody who's uh
uh religious convictions won't allow them to eat meat or something I'll have them see if they can
apply some of these things to try and make their life a little bit easier I I really don't think
that's the way to go but you know opinions vary um I'm not gonna not help somebody just
because they're doing something I don't believe in I'll try my hardest to figure
out how to help them anyway it's just sometimes you know toolbox is empty
guys I I don't know what to do for you so yeah and the big problem I have with Cyrus
and Bobby is that they are in Paul said you know they are these these people who constantly talk
about what's in literature and what's known in science and this has been proven and that's been
proven and they're they're just blowing smoke um if it's or something they're blowing something
let's put it that way yeah there's there is a lot of oh yes I agree that that sometimes the
literature does not match the clinical experience and it's it's you know you kind of sometimes the
patients are ignored in the process and I I can I'll just relate that you know in my own specialty
Orthopedics you know we would have outcomes that you know were valuable to us hey look out look at
the look at the you know we'd look at the uh you know we put in a knee replacement we you know we
calculate the Angles and make sure it was within a certain tolerance and we would assume that
was a good outcome but the patients may still be miserable and and that was sort of minimized
you know I was kind of like well they're just they're just cantankerous they're just kind of
difficult patients and stuff like that whereas you know because you don't look at look at look
at this is a perfect knee replacement there's nothing wrong with it that's in the literature
in a ways and then when you when you go outside the orthopedic literature and you go to say the
pain literature and you ask people about how they did after knee replacement the results are much
worse you know there's like you know there's like 40 percent of them still have significant pain
whereas Orthopedic literature says it's like five percent so where is the disconnect there
and it's because they tend to disregard the actual users the actual people that are being
affected by this it's too easy it's too easy um I blame the patient to what we were talking
about before where I get angry about the the misinformation have you ever heard the word
estrogenic yeah of course sure yeah we caused it right yeah you being a doctor yeah it's basically
caused by a doctor's treatment or or advice right all of the complications and type 1 diabetes are
high estrogenic in origin well I could see some of them for sure yeah for sure I can see no because
they are symptom they are all caused by high blood glucose why do you have to have high blood glucose
if you're a type 1 diabetic in this DNH no one has to have high blood glucose if you're a type 1
diabetic that's true that's true for sure you know and if you okay there is one symptom we are much
more prone to hypoglycemia because we don't have the natural glucagon rescue response that normal
people have so yeah we're much more susceptible to hypoglycemia but that's it if you want to
talk about what are the complications of type 1 diabetes that's it everything else is complication
of high blood glucose yeah I mean I can see where you where you can make some of that argument I
mean I think some of the somebody would argue that that hypoglycemia is basically an insulin
overdose you know that's basically yes that's right I agree yeah that's nice I agree and so
that's also it's usually inadvertent yeah so that would that would also be more or less iatrogenic
I suppose well this is I'm not here to argue with you Sean but when you have something that has
got a 20 error rate built into it cooked into it and you're eating foods that make you take
two three four times the amount of insulin you really have to take that relative error of
20 right yeah applied to the much larger base value right means that what I eat yeah there's
not much chance of me ever going hypoglycemia because I just don't take that much insulin right
that's uh that's that's the old Bernstein lost small numbers type of situation when you're
when you're only giving small Corrections um do you ever have to give a correcting
dose is there ever any time you have to give corrective Doses and how do you do it
if you do you are corrective doses of insulin two or three times a month and it's usually
because I've done something stupid yeah I forgot something or rather than sit down and really think
about a Bose for a meal I just kind of wing it you know that usually happens when you're at a
restaurant or something like that or you get a mystery ingredient as far as glucose goes probably
only I only have to adjust up three or four times a week but but remember we're talking
about adjusting up a low low is your control point that doesn't mean you're hypoglycemic that
just means that's as far as you want to go yeah and so and when you adjust for a low and you
give yourself a couple grams of carbohydrates um are you are you symptomatic in your testing or
is it just you test and you notice the low number no I'm not I'm not some symptomatic um uh I
test I have a tell uh different diabetics of different ways of telling whether you're going
low with me the size of my tongue start itching it's the weirdest sensation and my lips get numb
but that doesn't happen until I'm down around 60 55 um wait way down I I correct up at 70.
and uh if I go down to 60 65 it's no big deal yeah that's in the physiological range for
normal people anyway I have some cushion okay well I'll tell you what this has been a very
interesting discussion and I'm glad you found what works for you uh we are unfortunately close in on
the hour here and it's going to give you a chance if there's people that are interested in learning
more about you know what you're doing because you mentioned you do some kind of coaching type stuff
where can people go to find you are you doing any Social Media stuff or how does that work uh
unfortunately I'm going to have to set something up if I'm going to talk to people like you on the
on the radio I or radio why I'm dating myself ah um I I'm a hermit I got involved with this because
I'd be impassionate I don't want to talk to people but I will spend my every waking day helping
people do this because it's so important to me and by the way thank you for being so patient with me
I I know I kind of ambushed you with a couple of things and you've just been a wonderful host and
I really appreciate it oh I don't feel ambushed at all I think it's an interesting interesting
discussion and I I agree with the vast majority of what you're what you're experience I mean you know
it's hard to discount on other human beings actual experience and I mean it matches what I what I
think is normally happening anyway so anyway well thank you and for the rest of you guys thanks
for being here and attending uh we'll be back again tomorrow Paul best of luck to you and keep
up the good work and uh wish you and your wife many years of happiness and health so
anyway thank you so much thank you all right bye-bye everybody we'll see you guys see
you guys tomorrow take care everybody bye-bye
